I am wholly in favor of blasting Trump with all the fire and brimstone that our prosecutors can aim at him, but I don't want their salvos to ricochet and attack Democrats and liberals.
We may be indicting him for transgressions regarding the way in which the hush money to Stormy Daniels was conveyed and reported, but that's not how most Americans will perceive it.
As Dale Bumpers said at the impeachment trial of Bill Cllinton, "When they say it's not about sex, it's about sex." In the media, Stormy Daniels' sultry, seductive and sallacious countenance will make everything else shrink in significance and will make it impossible for most middle Americans to have any comprhension of the reporting violations Trump committed. And they will reason: After Years of investigating Trump for his ties to Russia (And that's an understatement; its more like he was an agent of Russia ) and the January 6 insurrection, the little mannered men of the democratic party are gong after him for sex.
On top of that, we may be going into a recession soon: Higher interest rates usually do depress the economy.
Trump may be wildly unpopular now, but the decision to sue Trump in this masochistic fashion, in conjunction with an imminent recession, may put Trump in the drivers seat in 24. And that madman will drive this country off of a cliff if he had the chance. Please see this article: https://davidgottfried.substack.com/p/damn-the-masochistic-dems-they-may
Trump has turned the Republican party into his “reality television show” brand. As Trump would say any publicity is good publicity. This indictment is putting Trump center stage again in the American conscience again. He probably revels in it. What will the Trump America reality television show finale be? Taking the oath of office from a prison cell? That’ll definitely blow the ratings roof off!
It seems to me the NYC case is revenge for the blue semen stained dress. There is plenty of bad and sad about Trump. Sad is that he is so demonized by the media. Could part of that demonizing have arisen from the fact that he announced at the beginning of his first White House run that he would end 2 fruitless but hugely profitable wars? As soon as it became apparent that he was a serious candidate, the venom from the press became like nothing I've ever seen. When he got into office he did end one war, in Iraq, and forced the end of the other.
Maybe other indictments are coming. But if this Stormy Daniels story is all there is against Trump, it's pathetic.
I just "flashed" on another issue regarding Fla. Gov. deSantis (INSantis?) and the matter of Trump's extradition to New York:
As an elected public official, he was required to take an oath when sworn in to "support" the US Constitution (AS WRITTEN and not as he'd like it to read). Now, the First Amendment likely protects his "right" to utter all manner of stupidities (despite his "Hah-vahd" education) about his likely refusal to extradite Trump to NY.
BUT, as Governor of Fla. he would have no choice but to do EXACTLY THAT or be in violation of his oath of office! And that would merit impeachment and removal, in my opinion, but that is unlikely. OF COURSE, Fla. voters COULD take all that into account in any event.
By 2016, after 240 years of independence, Americans should have learned how to pick a decent presidential wannabe from a field of 2 or 3 dozen contenders. Well, we goofed! Yes, Hillary won the popular vote count, but Donald won the Electoral College count. We were stuck with a lemon, and we had to throw him out. But he kicked and screamed, and spit and bit, and his face turned blue in the process. Now he's throwing stones, breaking windows, and threatening to unleash death and disaster on the people of the country that rejected him. Of course, the only civil and proper response is to bring him to court, prosecute his crimes, convict him, and send him to a dungeon.
Thank you for standing up Jonathan. Democrats, independents and Republicans need to hear this whether or they agree with it or not. The Trump Intimidation Syndrome is as real as the stunned response of a crime victim to a criminal’s craven, aggressive attack. To save our lives and our country we need to snap out of it.
I agree. we need to treat ex-Presidents as exactly what they are - citizens of the United States. (and all of the better ex-Presidents, from Herbert Hoover to Harry Truman to Jimmy Carter, have understood this). we either are a nation of laws, or not. and, to be one, we need to apply the law when and where it should be applied
Don't break out the champagne just yet. Remember: an indictment is merely a formal ACCUSATION. Trump is presumed innocent unless/until a jury says otherwise.
Too bad. Even Trump gets the rights of all Americans!
Well said, Jon. Hopefully this is just the beginning. By the way, my hope is that he is convicted of everything now being investigated in all venues, that he is sentenced to prison and that Biden commutes his sentences. A win-win.
I strongly disagree. His indictment changes nothing about a system that has excused war criminals and sociopaths for decades. If Barack Obama had not so blithely excused George W Bush, Dick Cheney and the torture memo authors with "we need to look to towards the future and not back at the past" or some such nonsense Trump might have never been elected. Obama himself is a war criminal, many other countries we offer military assistance to and sell our weapons to are overseen by dictators such as Benjamin Netanyahu or MBS of Saudi Arabia, yet there is little or no outrage from the same liberals who are rabid about Putin and Ukraine. Our double standards and our warped priorities are the problem, and Trump being indicted only reinforces these issues. On a more basic level, is indictment does nothing to change the misery inflicted on the working class and poor by both parties tacit support of the cancer capitalism that is metastasizing unchecked.
I am wholly in favor of blasting Trump with all the fire and brimstone that our prosecutors can aim at him, but I don't want their salvos to ricochet and attack Democrats and liberals.
We may be indicting him for transgressions regarding the way in which the hush money to Stormy Daniels was conveyed and reported, but that's not how most Americans will perceive it.
As Dale Bumpers said at the impeachment trial of Bill Cllinton, "When they say it's not about sex, it's about sex." In the media, Stormy Daniels' sultry, seductive and sallacious countenance will make everything else shrink in significance and will make it impossible for most middle Americans to have any comprhension of the reporting violations Trump committed. And they will reason: After Years of investigating Trump for his ties to Russia (And that's an understatement; its more like he was an agent of Russia ) and the January 6 insurrection, the little mannered men of the democratic party are gong after him for sex.
On top of that, we may be going into a recession soon: Higher interest rates usually do depress the economy.
Trump may be wildly unpopular now, but the decision to sue Trump in this masochistic fashion, in conjunction with an imminent recession, may put Trump in the drivers seat in 24. And that madman will drive this country off of a cliff if he had the chance. Please see this article: https://davidgottfried.substack.com/p/damn-the-masochistic-dems-they-may
Trump has turned the Republican party into his “reality television show” brand. As Trump would say any publicity is good publicity. This indictment is putting Trump center stage again in the American conscience again. He probably revels in it. What will the Trump America reality television show finale be? Taking the oath of office from a prison cell? That’ll definitely blow the ratings roof off!
It seems to me the NYC case is revenge for the blue semen stained dress. There is plenty of bad and sad about Trump. Sad is that he is so demonized by the media. Could part of that demonizing have arisen from the fact that he announced at the beginning of his first White House run that he would end 2 fruitless but hugely profitable wars? As soon as it became apparent that he was a serious candidate, the venom from the press became like nothing I've ever seen. When he got into office he did end one war, in Iraq, and forced the end of the other.
Maybe other indictments are coming. But if this Stormy Daniels story is all there is against Trump, it's pathetic.
I just "flashed" on another issue regarding Fla. Gov. deSantis (INSantis?) and the matter of Trump's extradition to New York:
As an elected public official, he was required to take an oath when sworn in to "support" the US Constitution (AS WRITTEN and not as he'd like it to read). Now, the First Amendment likely protects his "right" to utter all manner of stupidities (despite his "Hah-vahd" education) about his likely refusal to extradite Trump to NY.
BUT, as Governor of Fla. he would have no choice but to do EXACTLY THAT or be in violation of his oath of office! And that would merit impeachment and removal, in my opinion, but that is unlikely. OF COURSE, Fla. voters COULD take all that into account in any event.
By 2016, after 240 years of independence, Americans should have learned how to pick a decent presidential wannabe from a field of 2 or 3 dozen contenders. Well, we goofed! Yes, Hillary won the popular vote count, but Donald won the Electoral College count. We were stuck with a lemon, and we had to throw him out. But he kicked and screamed, and spit and bit, and his face turned blue in the process. Now he's throwing stones, breaking windows, and threatening to unleash death and disaster on the people of the country that rejected him. Of course, the only civil and proper response is to bring him to court, prosecute his crimes, convict him, and send him to a dungeon.
Hear, hear! I’m with you 100 percent on this.
Thank you for standing up Jonathan. Democrats, independents and Republicans need to hear this whether or they agree with it or not. The Trump Intimidation Syndrome is as real as the stunned response of a crime victim to a criminal’s craven, aggressive attack. To save our lives and our country we need to snap out of it.
I agree. we need to treat ex-Presidents as exactly what they are - citizens of the United States. (and all of the better ex-Presidents, from Herbert Hoover to Harry Truman to Jimmy Carter, have understood this). we either are a nation of laws, or not. and, to be one, we need to apply the law when and where it should be applied
NO FOOLIN'!
Don't break out the champagne just yet. Remember: an indictment is merely a formal ACCUSATION. Trump is presumed innocent unless/until a jury says otherwise.
Too bad. Even Trump gets the rights of all Americans!
Well said, Jon. Hopefully this is just the beginning. By the way, my hope is that he is convicted of everything now being investigated in all venues, that he is sentenced to prison and that Biden commutes his sentences. A win-win.
There is some justice left in the world! Trump is being held accountable! Finding him guilty would be icing on the cake!
I strongly disagree. His indictment changes nothing about a system that has excused war criminals and sociopaths for decades. If Barack Obama had not so blithely excused George W Bush, Dick Cheney and the torture memo authors with "we need to look to towards the future and not back at the past" or some such nonsense Trump might have never been elected. Obama himself is a war criminal, many other countries we offer military assistance to and sell our weapons to are overseen by dictators such as Benjamin Netanyahu or MBS of Saudi Arabia, yet there is little or no outrage from the same liberals who are rabid about Putin and Ukraine. Our double standards and our warped priorities are the problem, and Trump being indicted only reinforces these issues. On a more basic level, is indictment does nothing to change the misery inflicted on the working class and poor by both parties tacit support of the cancer capitalism that is metastasizing unchecked.